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Published by Philip Clayton on 17 Feb 2010

The Dan Dennett Debate: Afterthoughts

In the aftermath of today’s debate with Dan Dennett, I find myself asking not “Who won?” but “What were we debating about? What was really at stake in this discussion?”

In one sense, it’s enough that it happened. I don’t know of any place on the web where you can see Dan in dialogue with a moderate, reflective, religious person. But that’s only step one. The harder question is how to interpret what happened.

Dennett supporters are already posting on the web to say what they thought it was about. One points out that I do not share the assumptions of most analytic philosophers, and hence fail to pass the test for analytic orthodoxy. Both in the debate and in Mind and Emergence (chap. 4), for example, I use the work of analytic philosophers in ways different from what they intended. But surely that isn’t what was at stake in today’s discussion. Other bloggers may question whether I made any errors in describing evolutionary theory; perhaps they’re arguing that, if I did, that proves that evolution and theism are incompatible. But, again, surely that was not the real topic of the debate.

John Cobb comments, “[Dennett’s] view that worldviews have no practical importance expresses a provincialism that is really inexcusable. Surely comparative cultural studies are not wholly absent from the contemporary university.” That comment comes closer.

What was at stake today was not whether theism and atheism are finally identical; surely that much is beyond dispute. Instead, what most divided Dennett and me was the question whether in the end worldviews make any difference. Dan is prepared to call religion “benign” — which means: not outright malignant — when it supports values that he endorses. (His friend Richard Dawkins would not give as much ground.) Beyond that, however, religion is of little interest to him. For religious believers like me, by contrast, religious belief is never reducible to the moral convictions it supports or the behaviors it produces. It functions as a entire world- and life-view, permeating all that I do, affecting how I see, interpret, and evaluate everything I encounter. It’s that truth that I sought to communicate this afternoon.

Dan Dennett and I will probably never agree on whether it’s probable that God exists. But I hope that those who view today’s debate online will ask themselves why it matters that we were defending different understandings of what ultimately exists. If we can’t even agree on the significant difference between the two speakers, and how that difference is revealed in our different ways of approaching a whole host of philosophical questions, we won’t begin to be able to evaluate the competing arguments for our different positions.

Watch the debate online here.

Published by Philip Clayton on 14 Feb 2010

The Dan Dennett Debate: Thoughts Beforehand

So it’s official: Dan Dennett has agreed to do a debate when he’s at Claremont this coming Tuesday, February 16, from 2-3pm. It will take place in Albrecht Auditorium, at 10th St. and Dartmouth Ave. on the campus of Claremont Graduate University. Should be a good audience…

I saw a student flyer that began “Okay, so a New Atheist and a Christian Theologian walk into a bar…”

This will be an open-ended conversation. The flyer says simply “Science, Philosophy, Theism.” Here’s a face-to-face meeting of a Christian philosopher and theologian, one who endorses evolution and works extensively on science-religion isses, with the leading philosopher among the New Atheists — one who proudly describes himself as “one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.” We’ll take on the question: is there any real (argumentative) common ground between our two positions?

What do you think will happen? Will we really connect as philosophers? Will we even be able to formulate arguments that the other can respond to? Or will it just be two ships passing in the night, shooting rhetorical salvos in each other’s direction as they steam in their different directions? In his post on Richard Dawkins’ website, Dan responded to my talk on theology and evolution at the Cambridge Darwin Festival by simply concluding, “in short Clayton is an atheist who won’t admit it.” When we meet this week in Claremont, will we get any further in exploring forms of theism that are not anti-philosophical and anti-scientific?

If all goes well, we will be able to post the videotape of the meeting, so that you can decide for yourself what actually happened … and what is its significance. Place your bets in advance, though: what do you expect?

– Philip

Published by Philip Clayton on 31 Dec 2009

Presentation from AAR 2009

Here’s a brief presentation of the “conversion” that led to my writing Transforming Christian Theology, along with an attempt to state in just a few minutes what is the main idea of the book.

LeRon Shults pushed me afterwards on these comments: do I not paint academic theology in overly negative, even exclusively negative colors? Perhaps I could have added a bit more nuancing, I admit. Academic theology can make, and has made, positive contributions to church and society. Still, in its abstractness and obtuseness it has frequently remained irrelevant when it could have been helping pastors and could have been speaking prophetically — and clearly! — to contemporary society.

Judge for yourself and let us know what you think…

– Philip

Published by Philip Clayton on 04 Jun 2009

Denominational Leaders Meet at Claremont

Last week (May 27-29) leaders from across the denominations assembled at the Claremont School of Theology for a meeting on “Rekindling Theological Imagination,” the second in the series of TRANSFORMING THEOLOGY meetings that we are organizing.  You can find more information on the meeting, and the project as a whole, at TransformingTheology.org.

For a start, I attach below a list of the participants.  I will be blogging on both sites about the meeting over the coming weeks, and a variety of video materials from the conferences will be posted on the TT site.  The meetings with theologians and denominational leaders have also inspired a new book, TRANSFORMING THEOLOGY, which I will publish with Fortress in September, 2009.

– Philip Clayton

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Participants,

Transforming Theology, Conference #2, May 27-29, 2009

 

•  *Peg Chemberlin, President-Elect, National Council of Churches,

• * Michael Kinnamon, General Secretary, National Council of Churches

• * Phyllis Tickle, Senior Fellow of Cathedral College of the Washington National Cathedral and Founding editor of the Religion Department of Publishers Weekly

• * Dennis C. Dickerson, the James M. Lawson, Jr., Professor of History at Vanderbilt University (last-minute cancel)

 

ALLIANCE OF BAPTISTS

Chris Copeland, Minister for Leadership Formation

 

AFRICAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH

Daryl B. Ingram, Secretary-Treasurer of Christian Education

 

AMERICAN BAPTIST

Mary Hulst, President

 

CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN THE US (Disciples)

Sharon Watkins, General Minister and President

 

CHRISTIAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH

Thomas L. Hoyt, Bishop

 

EPISCOPAL CHURCH

C. K. Robertson, Canon to the Presiding Bishop and Primate

Thomas Ferguson, Office of Ecumenical and Inter-Faith Relations,

 

EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH OF AMERICA

Marcus Kunz, Executive for Discernment of Contextual & Theological Issues

 

PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH (USA)

Lee Hinson-Hasty, Coordinator for Theological Education and Seminary Relations

Charles Wiley, Coordinator, Office of Theology and Worship

 

UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST ASSOCIATION

Beth Miller, Director of Ministry and Professional Leadership Staff Group

 

UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST

John Thomas, President and General Minister

 

UNITED METHODIST CHURCH

Gregory Vaughn Palmer, President of the Council of Bishops

Mary Ann Swenson, Bishop of the California-Pacific Annual Conference

Grant Hagiya, Bishop of the Pacific-Northwest Annual Conference

Jerome King del Pino, General Secretary of the General Board of Higher Education and Ministry

Mary Ann Moman, Associate General Secretary of the Division of Ordained Ministry